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Kerzner International

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An article on a hospitality firm, recently edited to become an article in its own right after previously being a redirect to the article on the founder (no longer a suitable redirect target). Searches find routine listings, a recent item announcing user-submitted awards, and a corporate restructuring announcement, which are insufficient for WP:CORPDEPTH. Clearly a firm going about its business, but I am not seeing the coverage needed to demonstrate notability. AllyD (talk) 12:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jan Kozel

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Lack of significant coverage. Article relies mainly or fully on primary sources, plus what appears to be original reseach. I found https://prazsky.denik.cz/fotbal_region/kozel-nasel-sve-stesti-v-anglii.html but little else. A semi-pro footballer who has coached at youth level. C 679 12:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. FromCzech (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Walls

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Non-notable sportscaster. Deletion suggested at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Spain. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 11:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Juliana Cannarozzo

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per nom. Deriannt (talk) 17:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not enough secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Subject easily meets WP:SPORTBASIC with a couple dozen sentences of independent coverage here, not including quotes of course, as well as a half-dozen sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG (talk) 22:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexandra Ievleva

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level international medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1874 Waitemata by-elections

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Original BLAR was contested. All the sources in the article are primary and I cannot find any secondary sources.

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Could you explain what you mean by the sources being "primary"? They are secondary sources in my eyes. ―Panamitsu (talk) 10:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graeme Brosnan

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I believe Graeme Brosnan fails the WP:GNG criteria as there is almost no coverage of him that I can find. The majority of the article is unsourced self-promotion; the sources and links that are listed are either dead, do not mention him, or are citations of his own books.

Additionally, there is WP:COI from (I assume) Brosnan himself, editing under User:Brosnan.g.

This is my first nomination of an article for deletion - if I've done something wrong, procedurally or otherwise, please let me know. Iiii I I I (talk) 09:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete per WP:G11.

The description of G11 reads:

This applies to pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as encyclopedia articles, rather than advertisements. If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion.

As the text currently stands it is indeed exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as an encyclopedia article. I mean, this sample in the lead paragraph speaks for itself (and has not a single reference, naturally):

Commissioned by law firms and major insurance companies to prepare and write reports on forensic investigations Graeme started his own company, Brosnans Investigation Services which was tremendously successful and he continues his involvement with the company to this day.

Of course, the text could plausibly be replaced with a more neutral-sounding article, given that this version from 2012 wasn't nearly as bad. However, the G11 description says that this is preferred if the subject is notable, which he is obviously not. I can hardly find any mention of his name in any secondary source, let alone a source in-depth and reliable enough to satisfy WP:GNG. It's equally impossible to justify WP:AUTHOR by any of the four criteria listed there.

It's really unfortunate that this stuff has been live for anyone on the Internet to read for more than a decade. --Richard Yin (talk) 11:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 FK Mladá Boleslav season

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According to Wikipedia's policies and consensus, abandoned pages are subject to deletion either upon request or automatically. Paradygmaty (talk) 09:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - WP:OUTDATED is a poor reason to delete an article. If it's out of date, let's update it. There is no such thing as article ownership so any user or IP can update this season article. I don't see the point in deleting it just because it's a few months behind. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:47, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Spiderone, appears to be notable, just needs updating. Giant Snowman 11:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - If we deleted everything in need of an update, we would have little left. Maintenance template enough on this one. C 679 12:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sahara Cup

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; fails WP:GNG. I tried PROD, but Bilby keeps removing the tag, adding what they claim to be citations but they provide no URLs; either way even with those refs, the article still fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This was a major international competition, featuring two of the main cricketing nations, (and almost including a third with the West Indies almost competing) that happened over multiple years, and was well covered in the news when it was happening between 1996 and 1999 (when it ended due to a well-covered series of issues that stemmed from the start of the Kargil war in 1999). I'm using print sources, as the event occured over 25 years ago, but I'm not having any difficulty coming up with references. I'll keep adding sources, though, in the hope that it helps. - Bilby (talk) 09:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carolina Gillespie

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Faris Al-Hammadi

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The subject does not meet WP:GNG. The article fails to demonstrate any proof of notability and relies heavily on sources from social media platforms such as X, Instagram, and LinkedIn, which are generally not considered reliable. The few non-social media sources included are either trivial mentions or lack the depth and significance required to establish notability.

Based on my research, and after conducting a WP:BEFORE, I could not find independent, reliable sources that provide in-depth coverage of the subject. While the individual is a social media influencer with a large following, this alone does not suffice to meet Wikipedia's notability standards. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 08:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Laughing Pizza

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Completely unsourced article. Though the band appears to be somewhat notable, according to a quick online search. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Development Agency (Turkey)

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I found the source in the Turkish article at https://www.sbb.gov.tr/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kalkinma-Ajanslarinin-Turk-Hukuk-Sistemindeki-Yeri-Ahmet-Tamer.pdf but I think it needs someone more familiar with the subject to figure out whether this is notable. At least one agency still exists https://ankaraka.org.tr/en But are they just window-dressing for development policies which are now top-down? As the Ministry of Development (Turkey) no longer exists how do they work and who controls them? Chidgk1 (talk) 07:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Akkad Bakkad Bambey Bo

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This page was BLARed in October 2023, and now a duplicate article was created at Draft:Akkad Bakkad Bambey Bo (Tv Show), which I moved to draft because of the duplication. Both pages should be merged if kept. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - per WP:NTVNATL and merge as proposed by the nom. Deriannt (talk) 18:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vabbing

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Two years marked for notability. Flash-in-the-pan? Qwirkle (talk) 06:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Article needs expansion but it has received a good range of coverage ([1] [2] [3] [4]) and even been the subject of a systematic review (empty, with no evidence to support it). Astaire (talk) 19:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indonesian VTuber Awards

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Similar to the related page Indonesian Vtuber Awards 2024, this event does not seem to meet the eligibility criteria of WP:GNG WP:EVENT. It also does not have a reliable source to verify the source of the news. Also, the people who are included in the categories or winners do not meet the eligibility criteria according to WP:WikiProject YouTube/Notability (on idwiki: w:id:WP:KONTENKREATOR). Ariandi Lie ^{Let's talk} 06:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Viola Group

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. This article was AFD before but I don't really agree with the provided sources by the now-blocked user. They don't seem to pass WP:SIRS in my view regarding the subject itself. Another user has tagged this article for multiple issues including notabilit. It also doesn't help this article is created by a suspected paid editor who has 5 out of 6 articles deleted with this being the last one remaining.

I am submitting this article to look at this again given that NCORP requirements are more stringent now. Imcdc Contact 05:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as this reads as an advertisement and not an encyclopedic entry. Ktkvtsh (talk) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indonesian Vtuber Awards 2024

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I'm also nominated this article because This event does not appear to meet the notability criteria of WP:GNG and WP:EVENT. Nor does it have a reliable sources to verify. Also the people who are included in the categories or winners do not meet the eligibility criteria according to WP:WikiProject YouTube/Notability (on idwiki: WP:PEMBUATKONTEN). Ariandi Lie ^{Let's talk} 04:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The page was incorrectly moved to a userpage. I moved it back, please do not unilaterally draftify (or userfy) it again unless that becomes the outcome of this AFD. Geschichte (talk) 12:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Istanbul Professional League 1

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Tagged almost a decade ago as unsourced and article does not exist in Turkish so probably not notable Chidgk1 (talk) 07:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to History of Turkish football as possible search term. Giant Snowman 11:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Malaccan-Siamese war

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Unverifiable AI-generated piece full of dubious statements and fake references. Will need WP:TNT to be of any appropriateness for Wikipedia. Paul_012 (talk) 07:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Orduspor (women's basketball)

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Although the source on the Turkish article is good https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/sporarena/orduspor-oyunculari-sehri-terk-etti-40624285 there is only one so it is not enough to show notability Chidgk1 (talk) 07:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. No reason why sources wouldn't exist. [5] etc. Geschichte (talk) 11:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

İzmir–Nazilli Regional

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Tagged over a decade ago as unsourced. Cites on Turkish article are all primary sources and don’t show notability Chidgk1 (talk) 07:15, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bolâhenk Nuri Bey

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Tagged over a decade ago as uncited and possibly not notable. Article does not exist in Turkish Chidgk1 (talk) 07:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ML Lather

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The subject fails WP:NBIO, no significant coverage about him in sources. Being a former DGP does not make one inherently notable. - Ratnahastin (talk) 06:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fener Ada

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Hard to search as there is at least one other island with the same name. Tagged many years ago as uncited. The cite on the Turkish article is poor https://www.getamap.net/maps/turkey/izmir/_fener_adasi/ Chidgk1 (talk) 06:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Diyarbakır Atatürk Stadium

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Tagged as uncited in 2009 and no longer exists. Is this a notable part of local history? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ribble Link Trust

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Unnotable subject on it's own, WP:MERGE to the main article on the Ribble Link or delete. -Samoht27 (talk) 05:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Ribble Link or delete. There's this [6] but on its own isn't sufficient to pass GNG/NORG. If as it seems the Trust is associated with the one project then it makes sense to include info. there. The Trust is mentioned in the target article - it could perhaps have a subheading there. Don't think the content needs merging as it's not supported by citations. Rupples (talk) 12:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Araba 2004

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Does not meet WP:NSINGLE. Unreferenced. -Samoht27 (talk) 05:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: Appears to satisfy WP:GNG as the music video was a subject of scholarly analysis by multiple authors: [7] [8]. I can't find anything beyond these two authors though. The two authors both appear in the first source, but I don't think it stops the sources from being independent of each other. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 09:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Temmie Chang

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This biography of a living person was published with no sources, and is promotional and unencyclopedic in tone. A ProQuest search yields 11 hits, all of which are brief mentions of her as a collaborator with Toby Fox and contributor of artwork to his video game, Undertale. A Google search yields more, but these do not meet Wikipedia standards for reliability (see WP:RELIABLESOURCES) and do not contribute to notability in the Wikipedia sense. Does not meet WP:BASIC, let alone WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Escaped Chasm. I've done source searching for her in the past out of curiosity regarding if she could have an article or not. She's not notable, and I don't think an argument could be made for her to pass WP:NARTIST either. So, with that being said, redirect this article to Escaped Chasm, which is a game that she created and actually has an article. λ NegativeMP1 04:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2006 Westchester County tornado

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Wow, I've never AfD'd an FA before. Anyways, this tornado is not notable as there was no coverage past a few days after the event, with one mention three months after the event, too low for a tornado in my opinion. Fails my criteria as well. If this article were to be made today, I'm 100% sure it would no longer exist. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:NEVENT and there is no WP:LASTING coverage. It's rarity, much like its rating, means absolutely nothing if no sources consistently talk about. Notability concerns were also brought up during the FAC, so I'm not sure how it passed. E_F⁵ 04:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It got a lot of coverage at the time of the event and still gets mentioned as a notable NY State/Northeast tornado after many years (for example, here, here, here, here, and here). Plus, this isn't a crappily written stub, it's an FA, so there's some readable text there (though it looks like it needs some updatilng), and if it's even a close call, I'd rather preserve the content. Plus, all the reviewers at FAC (and GA and any peer review) must have thought that it was notable. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Netta Schreiber

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Believe she does satisfy notability. Actually not sure what the issue is about the article. MaskedSinger (talk) 16:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maya Kornberg

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Previously nominated for proposed deletion by a different editor, but was contested on Talk:Maya Kornberg. The article generally lacks verifiable third-party sources and relies heavily on professional pages as well subject's own personal page. Per WP:Notability, candidates for political office are not inherently notable. Nearly all the sources I could find on Kornberg which may be used to improve the page exclusively focus on her council candidacy and the page was only created following her announcement. Her professional career working in NGOs does not appear notable enough for an article. Because of this, I nominate the article for deletion due to a lack of notability and agree with previous attempt under Wikipedia:Proposed deletion. --Stanloona2020 (talk) 02:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Passes WP:BASIC even without the political candidacy, with coverage such as the independent review for her book Inside Congressional Committees (Columbia University Press, 2023) in the academic journal Congress & the Presidency and the 2010 article about her environmental activism in the Jerusalem Post. She is also quoted frequently in the national media in the U.S. as an expert on Congress and elections. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sex, Love, Misery: New New York

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Does not meet WP:NFILM, the only mentions of this film are a handful of online reviews from smaller websites. This film has generally positive reviews but isn't otherwise notable. Many editors have tried to improve the article but there isn't much to work with outside those reviews. See Talk page where this was discussed. Blue Sonnet (talk) 02:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: per the significant coverage in reliable sources. -Mushy Yank. 04:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a relatively low budget independent documentary film, but that does not mean that it is not notable. Rotten Tomatoes is considered a reliable source for review aggregation, per WP:ROTTENTOMATOES, although not every review that is aggregated is automatically presumed to be reliable. In this case, the film has seven reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, all of them generally positive though not overwhelmingly positive. Four reviews are currently used as references in the article. Those four sources, Film Carnage, Film Threat, High on Films and GhMovieFreak are already used extensively as references in many existing film articles. If it is argued and agreed that those sites are not reliable in this article, then it will be necessary to edit hundreds of film articles to remove references to those sources and the content they support. Is the nominator willing to take on that task? A complicating factor in this case is that the article was created by a highly problematic editor who has since been indefintely blocked. However, other editors in good standing have contributed to the article, and we should not delete articles about notable topics just because they were originally written by editors who have later been blocked. That can be perceived as vindictive. The article was Prodded twice but only one prod per article is allowed. I deprodded it. In conclusion, I believe that the best course of action is to keep this article. Cullen328 (talk) 05:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Actually, there are 5 reviews cited. -Mushy Yank. 06:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the fifth review just added as a reference is from BWRC which is also widely cited as a reliable source in film articles. Cullen328 (talk) 07:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen328 The "sources are already used extensively in many articles" or that it's a big hassle to edit them all out arguments are very, very thin and neither are based in any Wikipedia guideline or policy. Just a cursory search on the first one (Film Carnage) reveals that it's a blog by some Rebecca (film fan with no journalistic credits or anything) reviewing indie films. Is that what are we calling "reliable" nowadays? Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Keep: Sourcing available in the article itself meets NFILM. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 05:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question Reading Beans, did you mean to say "Keep"? Cullen328 (talk) 05:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I’ll change it now. I definitely misclicked. Thank you for letting me know. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Health Dynamics Inventory

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Non-notable medical tool. The inventors of this procedure appear to have copy-pasted promotional material onto Wikipedia, and even left their contact information at the bottom. It remains without secondary sourcing 14 years later. All the sigcov listed is self-published by the authors. Jdcooper (talk) 02:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I found several PhD theses on ProQuest that use the Health Dynamics Inventory, but I can't find any independent journal articles that use it. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of music and dance anime

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I'm not an expert with the Anime WP, but the term "music and dance anime" seems not to satisfy WP:NLIST: it's not a specific category on the wiki, the self-imposed criteria of not contain[ing] strictly idol anime, OVAs and ONAs but may contain anime that use idol setting or themes as part of a bigger plot would seem to be so vague and indefinite as to make the list difficult to populate or understand what makes an entry eligible. There is also no sourcing to support list entries. Inexplicably it also looks like the list contains manga as well. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 02:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but rename to List of musical anime I'll try to fix and redefine it. WP:TNT is also an option . Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 07:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With respect, the two options you've presented are polar opposites. Just clarifying - do you think the list as currently drafted can satisfy WP:NLIST? ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 07:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jebamani Janata Party

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Non notable political party. The leader of this party gained some notoriety for filing a false affidavit. Has never won an election (never even come close), is not a recognised party with a permanent symbol and therefore should not remain. Fails WP:GNG Jupitus Smart 02:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Jupitus Smart: Yeah, I guess you might be right... I'm not from India, so I'm not really familiar with India's political system, but I'm trying to do my best to figure things out. (e.g. I have now realized that I should probably link "unrecognized" to Politics of India § Registered Unrecognized Political Party (RUPP)) I have now done some mostly-thorough searching through various public and licensed resources that I have access to, and here are the statistics of what I found (though keep in mind that my criteria for what to list and what to merge vs keep separate have been a bit inconsistent):

83 articles/books/documents total
- 12 were about Nellai R. Jebamani in the Janata Party
- 25 were just lists of election candidates or results or similar
- 37 were just about Mohanraj, the party leader
- 9 actually have information about the party beyond Mohanraj and election participation and performance:
  1. A Hindi?-English bilingual government document: मजूमदार, ए. के. (July 12, 2002). "भारत निर्वाचन आयो, अधिसूचना, आ.अ. 82( अ )". भारत को राजपत्र. असाधारण : भाग II—खण्ड ३—उप-खण्ड (iii) (in Hindi). No. 61. नई दिल्ली. रजिस्ट्री सं० डी० एल०-33004/99 : सं. 56/2002( iv )/न्यायिक-III. निर्वाचन प्रतीक ( आरक्षण और आबंटन ) आदेश, 1968 के पैरा 17 के उप पैरा ( 2 ) के अनुसरण में, भारत निर्वाचन आयोग समय-समय पर यथा संशोधित तारीख 10 जनवरी, 2002 की अपनी अधिसूचना संख्या 56/2002/न्यायिक-III, में एतद्वारा निम्नलिखित संशोधन और करता है अर्थात् :— [...] II. उक्त अधिसूचना से संलग्न सारणी III ( रजिस्ट्रीकृत अमान्यता प्राप्त दलों ) में— (1) क्रम सं. 584 पर विधमान प्रविष्टियों के पश्चात् निम्नलिखित प्रविष्टियों स्तम्भ 1, 2 और 3 के नीचे क्रमश: रखी जाएं :— [...] 592.; जेबामणि जनता; नं. 33, सैंकड़ स्ट्रीट, पूर्व अबिरामपुरम, माइलापोर, चेन्नई-600004 तमिलनाडु । = MAJUMDAR, A. K (July 12, 2002). "ELECTION COMMISSION OF INDIA, NOTIFICATION, O.N. 82(E)". The Gazette of India. EXTRAORDINARY : PART II—Section 3—Sub-section (iii). No. 61. New Delhi. REGD. NO. D. L -33004/99 : No. 56/2002(iv)/Jud. III. In pursuance of sub-paragraph (2) of paragraph 17 of the Election Symbols (Reservation and Allotment) Order, 1968, the Election Commission ot India hereby makes the following further amendments to its Notification No. 56/2002/Jud-III, dated 10th January, 2002, as amended from time to time, namely :— [...] II. In Table III (Registered unrecognised parties), appended to the said Notification— (i) After the existing entries at serial number 584, the following entries shall be inserted under columns 1, 2 and 3 respectively column . [...] 592.; Jebamani Janata; No. 33, Second Street, East Abiramapuram, Mylapore, Chennai-600004. (Tamil Nadu). @ Internet Archive in.gazette.central.e.2002-07-12.114616, in.gazette.e.2002.241.
  2. That announcement is repeated in the following English-language document: MAJUMDAR, A. K. (1 August 2002). Pal, R. P. (ed.). "GOVERNMENT OF GOA, Department of Elections, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer; from ELECTION COMMISSION OF INDIA: Notification, No. 56/2002/Jud.III". OFFICIAL GAZETTE, GOVERNMENT OF GOA. SERIES I. No. 18. pp. 375–376. Internet Archive in.goa.egaz.0203-18.SI.
    - These indicate that the party's name in Devanagari script is "जेबामणि जनता". I didn't find anything obviously useful from a quick Google search, but I don't speak/read Hindi (I've been relying on Google Translate, OCR, and visual clues), and I'm not sure what search engines might work best for Indian webpages in Hindi.
    - Internet Archive has 107 results for "Jebamani Janata"; I haven't bothered to go through all of them yet, just the couple of oldest ones, and then skimmed through and saw that they all looked kinda similar.
  3. Political Parties and Election Symbols. New Delhi: Publication Division, Election Commission of India. 2004. p. 47. HathiTrust mdp.39015061276674. Google Books vI-KAAAAMAAJ.
    - I don't seem to have access to this, but I did find another version online, and on p. 24, 47 it says: "TABLE — III: REGISTERED UNRECOGNISED PARTIES [...] S.No.: 323.; Name of the Registered Unrecognised Political Party: Jebamani Janata; Headquarters Address: No. 33, Second Street, East Abiramapuram, Mylapore, Chennai-600004, (Tamil Nadu)"
  4. Ahuja, M. L. (2005). "Appendices". General Elections in India: Electoral Politics, Electoral Reforms, and Political Parties. p. 429. Google Books vI-KAAAAMAAJ. HathiTrust inu.30000101132953. Abbreviation: JJ; Party: Jebamani Janata
  5. "'Richest' in fray faked it". New Indian Express. 11 May 2009. Factiva NIEXPR0020090512e55b00053. Mohanraj is the son of late freedom fighter and a close associate of late leader K Kamaraj, R Jebamani. Mohanraj is heading the Jebamani Janata, a registered, but non-recognised political party.
  6. Mohan, Gopu (6 October 2011). "'Spare 3 on death row': officer who probed Rajiv case is no longer angry". national. Indian Express. Factiva AIWINE0020111006e7a60000z. Gale A268839491. NewsBank 8C87EBB2DB104CEAB04405DA52DA75FE / 2F14960F1FB68CD030. Nexis Uni 53YK-7GF1-JB35-147X-00000-00. PressReader 281805690679459. ProQuest 896368566. He floated the Jebamani Janata Party, named after his father, and has contested 15 elections to Parliament, the Assembly and the local body.
  7. "Health plagues Gandhian fasting against booze". New Indian Express. Express News Servcie. 25–26 February 2013. Factiva NIEXPR0020130228e92p0008k. Gale A320322825. Nexis Uni 57V4-SJT1-F12F-F3FK-00000-00. ProQuest 1312350565. The health condition of the 57-year-old Gandhian from Salem, Sasi Perumal, who had been on fast for the past 27 days demanding total prohibition in the State, began deteriorating on Monday. [...] Social service organisations working towards prohibition in the State — [...] and Jebamani Janata Party — expressed their solidarity with the Gandhian.
  8. "TN candidate declares Rs 1.76 lakh cr cash, Rs 4 lakh cr loan". India. Indo-Asian News Service (IANS) English. 4 April 2019. Factiva HNIANS0020190404ef44003ju. Gale A581195420. The Tribune (India) 753246. ProQuest 2202720901. Candidate for the by-election to the Perambur assembly seat in Tamil Nadu, J. Mohanraj of the Jebamani Janata party, has declared loan dues to the World Bank of Rs 4 lakh crore and cash in hand of Rs 1. 76 lakh crore. Interestingly, the Election Commission has accepted Mohanraj's affidavit and has allotted him the 'Green Chilli' symbol. [...] Sixty seven-year old, Mohanraj is the son of late Nellai R. Jebamani who was elected to the Tamil Nadu assembly from the Sattankulam constituency in 1977 as a Janata Party candidate. Mohanraj also said the upcoming one will be his 13th election contest, and that he has unsuccessfully contested the Lok Sabha and Tamil Nadu assembly elections earlier.
  9. Subramanian, Lakshmi (April 4, 2019). "Tamil Nadu's "richest" candidate dares EC to prove him wrong". The Week. Meet Mohanraj Jebamani, a retired police inspector and son of former MLA and freedom fighter Jebamani. [...] Mohanraj's father Jebamani was an MLA from the Sathankulam constituency in 1976, the election held immediately after the emergency was lifted. His father Jebamani was one of the detainees under the MISA during the emergency and was part of Morarji Desai's Janata party then. "I got voluntary retirement from the police service, because of corruption." He has named his party as Jebamani Janata Party after his father.

The sources about Nellai R. Jebamani are not directly relevant. The lists and election results are routine coverage, if that doctrine applies to this kind of article. The sources about Mohanraj clearly do not have significant coverage of the party if their only mention is something like '[...] Mohanraj of the Jebamani Janata Party [...]'. These last nine sources have some coverage of the party, but I'm not sure if it rises to the level of being Significant Coverage... #1-4 are still routine coverage, and #5-9 have only very small amounts of information about the party. However, there are still some unexplored avenues for finding sources: in particular, I have not exhausted the Google Search or Internet Archive results, and I have not really tried searching in Devanagari script, just Latin script...

However, given how much I found about Mohanraj / Mohan Raj, do you think would might be notable enough? If so, I might try to pivot this article into an article about him? The sources I've found are mostly about various litigation he's filed, the false affidavits you mentioned, and a little bit of biographical information. The article I cited from The Week gives the impression of being a short biography of him.

Solomon Ucko (talk) 17:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Driftwood fort

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Not notable. Half the article is a list of individual forts with no lasting significance. ―Panamitsu (talk) 02:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I always thought it was non-notable. Now that Panamitsu has come to that view too, I am happy to support deletion. Nurg (talk) 07:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. This article is a mess (why is it only composed of references to driftwood forts in the news?) but WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP. There's significant coverage of the subject in books like James Herman's Driftwood Forts of the Oregon Coast and Nancy Blakey's By the Shore (pp. 199-200). They are also key elements in fiction, such as this Allyson Gulliver story and the movie Far from Home (see here). Failing a consensus to keep this as a standalone article, any encyclopedic content should be merged to Driftwood#Forts. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge with hut: I don't think fictional depictions should count for this discussion as they aren't reliable sources. The most reliable, significant coverage I could find on the concept of driftwood forts themselves is this book review. I feel like given how minimal coverage of this topic otherwise is, I think it's better off either deleted or merged with an article that might encompass this topic. In the latter regard, hut was the best I myself could find. Lazman321 (talk) 00:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: For consensus, and also, if necessary, a merger target as two are currently proposed.
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I have already said to delete – I have no objection to merging, and suggest Driftwood as the merge target, as Dclemens1971 suggested. Nurg (talk) 04:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marshall Savage

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This article on science fiction author Marshall Savage seems to fall short of WP's general notability guidelines (WP:GNG) for inclusion. To the extent that this author is notable, it is for his book, The Millennial Project which has its own WP article, and for founding the First Millennial Foundation, which is covered in the book's article. The body of this article is without references and is filled with minute autobiographical-type details. This article has had January 2024 {{BLP sources}} and {{original research}} tags for almost a year now. Dotyoyo (talk) 02:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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