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Qing to CCP

Post Beiyang

There is no coverage of the history from the end of the Beiyang goverment until the late 1920s. I do not know the history for this city nor do I have a source but it is certainly notable how the city was governed and what happened in the city during that time.

Shum Chun

This article seems to indicate the Shumchun is more significant than the history gives it coverage for. I generally trust SCMP to be factual but this is a case where their anti-CCP bias may be at play.^[1] Railroad town certinaly to have a reputation for a reason so I am inclined to look into this further and find an additional source.

Czarking0 (talk) 04:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Shenzhen's sleazy past as short-lived gambling hub Shum Chun". South China Morning Post. 17 January 2021. Retrieved 28 September 2024.

Is considered is POV

@JArthur1984 Your recent edit states "Is considered" and it seems like a POV claim. Can you reword that to say who's POV it is and why that is notable? Czarking0 (talk) 22:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment confuses me. Isn't this handled by the first clause, which describes this as "in official discourses"? Or are you asking for it to be attributed to the source its cited ("According to academic Richard Hu, in official discourses...")? I don't have any problem with attributing it to the source from which I cited it, although it seems unnecessarily long for something not controversial. JArthur1984 (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am asking for the later but also for info on why his POV is notable. Is this the person you are referring to? See WP:YESPOV. Your edit falls under the first example "Avoid stating opinions as facts". Given that this is an opinion you should also establish why it is notable enough to be included. Czarking0 (talk) 22:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it’s a different Prof. Richard Hu. This one is a professor in Australia whose area of research is urbanization. JArthur1984 (talk) 01:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have not responded here or updated the article, I am reworking the text without this POV claim. Czarking0 (talk) 00:45, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bias in education section

The education section is biased. Stating, The nine-year compulsory education in Shenzhen is free. covers up important nuance around hukou.

This section over all is doing a not very good job at whatever it is trying to do. Is it trying to cover the state of education in the city or the history?

Basically every sentence needs to be reworked so it is hard to give specific feedback. I'll put in a couple edits now. Czarking0 (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

C Rating

My comment about the period from 1913-1924 being completely uncovered constitutes an obvious omission under WP:B? criteria 2. Additionally it has POV issues in the education that I mentioned. Therefore, I am lowering the rating to C Czarking0 (talk) 01:05, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Shenzhen's sleazy past as short-lived gambling hub Shum Chun". South China Morning Post. 17 January 2021. Retrieved 28 September 2024.

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